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The AI Native Podcast

Our bi-weekly podcast hosted by Daniel Jones. Each episode features a new guest sharing practical strategies and architectural patterns for building AI.

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What You Can Expect

The Intersection of AI, Culture, and Business

We explore the AI transition through the lens of technology, culture, business, and behavior. We speak with leaders who have already taken the leap, analyzing real-world use cases to understand the impact.

Our goal is to learn from their experience, giving you a grounded, pragmatic approach to the future of AI that goes beyond the technical implementation.

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Latest Episodes

Explore our most recent conversations with the architects and founders building the AI Native future.

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00:55:00

Mar 04, 2026

Bridging the Skills Gap: Insights from Agentic Coding Training

Daniel Jones and Benedict Stemmelt dive into the technical and organizational shifts of agentic software engineering. They move past the hype to discuss the transition from manual coding to building software factories that automate feature delivery. The conversation explores critical technical hurdles, including context window reasoning degradation and the necessity of reverse engineering model defaults to steer agents effectively. By referencing DORA 2025 metrics, they illustrate why AI adoption accelerates high-performing teams while exposing systemic bottlenecks in lower-maturity organizations.

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01:12:56

Feb 18, 2026

Software Factories: From Outputs to Business Outcomes

Daniel Jones and Mike Gehard explore the sudden rise of agentic software factories, where humans are prohibited from writing or reviewing code. Drawing from Mike’s background in chemical engineering, they discuss applying industrial feedback loops and the theory of constraints to software development. The conversation shifts from technical implementation to the economic and psychological impacts of AI-native engineering. They examine how architecture, testing, and developer roles must evolve when software becomes a commodity and the primary bottleneck moves from output to specification and outcomes.

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00:59:12

Jan 29, 2026

Evals, reducing hallucinations, & AI-native development

In this episode, Deejay sits down with Amy Heineike, founding AI engineer at TESSL, to explore the structural shift toward AI-native development. They discuss the necessity of machine-optimized documentation registries to eliminate agent hallucinations and the cultural transition from deterministic logic to a biological science mindset. Amy details the mechanics of building evaluation harnesses, the pitfalls of contradictory steering, and how the role of the software engineer is evolving into a high-level architect of intentional outcomes and anti-fragile systems.

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Dec 22, 2025

DORA 2025, the Psychology of Agentic Coding, and Value Stream Management

Daniel Jones joins Google’s Rob Edwards to explore the 2025 DORA report and Rob’s psychology thesis on AI. They discuss how Value Stream Management acts as a force multiplier for AI teams by identifying hidden bottlenecks. Rob details the psychological shift from Coder to Conductor, explaining how agentic workflows demand system-level thinking and metacognition. The conversation also tackles the risks of burnout, the loss of learning by osmosis for juniors, and how AI helps introverts validate ideas.

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Themes We Explore

Inside Every Episode

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AI Architecture

Strategies for building scalable systems that move beyond simple API integrations to true AI nativity.

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Organizational Culture

Adapting team structures and workflows to accommodate the non-deterministic nature of AI development.

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Strategic ROI

How to measure the actual business impact of AI and distinguish cost centers from value drivers.

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Human Behavior

Understanding how users and employees truly react to, adopt, or resist AI-driven changes.

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Transformation Patterns

Identifying recurring historical signals to anticipate market shifts and avoid repeating past mistakes.

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Governance & Safety

Navigating the complexities of compliance, data privacy, and ethical deployment in regulated industries.

Meet the Host

Daniel Jones

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Daniel Jones is a seasoned technology leader with over 20 years of experience in the industry ranging from working in regulated financial enterprises to founding startups. He brings deep expertise in software delivery, enterprise transformation, and cloud-native practices.

As the host of the Waves of Innovation podcast, Daniel engages with industry experts to explore cutting-edge topics that are shaping the future of technology.

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