DORA 2025, the Psychology of Agentic Coding, and Value Stream Management
Daniel Jones joins Google’s Rob Edwards to explore the 2025 DORA report and Rob’s psychology thesis on AI. They discuss how Value Stream Management acts as a force multiplier for AI teams by identifying hidden bottlenecks. Rob details the psychological shift from Coder to Conductor, explaining how agentic workflows demand system-level thinking and metacognition. The conversation also tackles the risks of burnout, the loss of learning by osmosis for juniors, and how AI helps introverts validate ideas.
Episode Transcript
Daniel Jones (00:02) You are listening to the Waves of Innovation podcast and I am DJ your host. In this week's episode, I am talking to big Rob Edwards, a rugby player in Yorkshireman who I met about a decade ago, who now works at Google and has contributed to the Dora research paper for 2025 with ...
Episode Highlights
- •Rob Edwards discusses DORA 2025 findings on Value Stream Management and AI.
- •Value Stream Mapping reveals hidden friction points like excessive merges before production.
- •Research shows VSM is a force multiplier for teams adopting AI tools.
- •Developers are shifting identity from Coders to Conductors of AI agents.
- •AI encourages metacognition and system-level thinking over simple syntax generation.
- •Introverts use AI as a safe cognitive partner to validate ideas confidently.
- •Raising productivity baselines with AI poses a significant risk of developer burnout.
